My last post blew up unexpectedly, which is nice. But I feel some responsibility to try to rationalize this whole thing. I am hoping that some good can come from this realization. I hope it gives scientists a better understanding of the brain, which can eventually lead to breakthroughs in mental health. A lot of depression and anxiety stems from that “little voice in the back of your head.” I had a theory that maybe people that do not have the internal monologue could be better defended against depression. Nowadays, so many people are being diagnosed with mental illness, so maybe it is an evolutionary benefit if we are talking in terms of Darwinism. Darwin always preached that animals that survive the longest are the ones that are the best at adapting and overcoming disadvantages. So maybe it is our way of preventing unwanted deaths from suicide, addictions, and other adverse effects caused by mental illnesses. I am not saying that any of this theory holds any scientific weight at all, but it does get you thinking. This theory can easily be tested through surveys and polls, so I hope this sparks the interest of anyone with a passion for psychology/neurology. Who knows, maybe this will cause a domino effect of theories and experiments which can ultimate improve our understanding of this batshit crazy world we live in. Whatever comes out of this, I am just glad that people are using their brains and connecting with others around them. Everyone is so distracted by the external world and forgets to look inwards.
RIP KOBE.
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Okay so not only do I have a very active inner monologue, but to keep myself busy and entertained, I can have entire inner monologue dialogues with people in my head. Bored? Lonely? In my car? I am going to tell my brain’s version of a friend or rando person allll about my personal opinions on The Pixies vs The Breeders, or which Star Trek is the best, and why. At length. LOL.
I wonder how much of this is neurological, vs how we were raised. Is inner monologue a specific part of our brain, or did we learn to do this out of need? I’m sure there’s a bit of both involved, as is most things brain-related.
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I never had an internal
Monologue inside my head. I grew up not thinking about My thoughts. Then I married a psychologist, who asked me all the time “What are you thinking?” and I would say “ Nothing” and that seemed to genuinely perplex him. Over time I started to wonder “what AM I thinking?” mostly because I wanted to be able to tell my husband but also I was curious why he was thinking all the time and I…. wasn’t? I am not sure how or when it happened but as I read this post I realize I have acquired what I can only describe as a situational internal monologue. Although it does not seem to be in there all the time it does seem to be there when I am contemplating something or trying to solve something or consider something. I am not sure how or when it happened but as I read this post I realize I have a quired an internal monologue. For the rest of the time I am blissfully unaware of my brain’s activities. I guess some people think differently… And that’s OK 🙂
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Laura,
I can relate with that on a very visceral level.
I’m in almost a constant state of inner dialogue, and like you said, often times it may be with a friend, family, or a total stranger trying to explain why I feel the way I do about something, anything really.
I’ve often thought I had an overactive “inner monologue” functionality. I’m often striving to find ways to shut it off.
Tim
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I have entire conversations with people in my head, usually kicked off by me stating to them how I am feeling about them, something they did, or what I want from them, or for them. I throw in variables, since I know I can’t ‘know’ how they’ll react, so I try to imagine all the possible responses from them. Next thing I know I’m in a possible future with this person after a sequence of life choices have been made and determining if this is really a place I want to be. I may never even have these conversations with these people. I’ve found most people to be less engaged usually. I’ve probably had more conversations in my head than in real life.
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Pixies vs. Breeders…I’m going to be arguing with myself all day about that. To be frank, there’s a lot to deal with: I think Surfer Rosa era Pixies is the best material, but the complete Breeders catalogue > all Pixies catalogue. And the post-Kim Pixies? No Deal.
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This is an interesting theory, but at least in my life, def not true. I don’t have internal monologue at all but have been working through depression and anxiety for a couple years now. Towards the beginning, people/my counselor would ask me what negative thoughts I was having about myself and I was confused because that didn’t seem like a factor in my depression. I was like, I don’t have voices in my head but I just feel terrible. It then makes it actually harder to interpret your feelings and what could be causing it when it’s not an actual voice. Anyway, it is helpful for me to now know that most people always have this internal voice and that’s why it is a normal symptom of depression! And that because I don’t normally have the inner voice in my head, it wouldn’t be a big factor in my mental health anyway. This is all very fascinating though!
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Unfortunately, a lot of mental health issues are caused by unhealthy and/or distorted thinking. (Not sure about statistics but it’s been my experience as a special ed teacher and a person who’s had experience with depression and anxiety directly and indirectly).
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Reading your article I pictured the “crazy person on the street talking to themselves” and immediately thought, maybe they can’t do the internal monologue thing and they are just verbalizing what I inherently do. Made me relook at how society looks at people.
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Are you saying that you like physically hear your inside brain voice (that’s the best I could come up with)? I visualize and definitely have conversations, but I don’t hear anything…it just is…like a telepathic conversation or dialogue.
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Mine is telepathic too, but it definitely holds its own in full conversation. It also tends to be very opinionated!
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Not only do I have conversations in my head but I actually answer questions from my head out loud. My family thinks I am essentric or nuts.
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What that last comment says- my thoughts are instantaneous. I asked my friend who has an inner monologue- so do your thoughts take the same amount of time that saying them out loud would? And she said they do. I don’t have an internal monologue- just concepts and understandings- but no narration of it. The same when I read- I never hear my voice in my head reading it- I’m glazing over the words like they aren’t really there becaose I see the whole movie of it in my head- the words don’t seem like words!
I CAN’T GET OVER THIS. Isn’t it exhausting having an inner monologue? I can’t imagine how noisy that would be all of the time. I just have silence and concepts.
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Oh how I long for silence! Not all the time, but a break every now and then would be nice. Even as I type this text every word echos in my head. It’s so noisy that I have had trouble getting to sleep. There’s always some unresolved problem at work or home that I can’t stop discussing in my head, trying to find a solution. I’ve found the best way to get to sleep is to control it by directing the noise. In other words, I sort of tell myself a never ending bedtime story featuring me doing something that I’ve always wanted to do but haven’t yet! I usually doze off pretty quickly! 😴
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I have an inner monologue that never shuts up. But certain thoughts are “instantaneous” like someone said. Maybe if there is a loud bang I go from were being shot at to a door slammed to someone dropped something in the small of a finger. I didn’t think all those words.
But… I can’t visualize things in my mind, which usually blows my friends mins in the way yours was blown by lack of monologue. It’s like this: https://www.facebook.com/notes/blake-ross/aphantasia-how-it-feels-to-be-blind-in-your-mind/10156834777480504/
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I can see the words and have the conversation; I’m pretty sure I can also visualize in my mind; but that usually if I’m thinking about future possibilities. Interesting.
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I’m an abstract thinker with no internal monologue and I’ve got mental illness galore. It’s a nice thought, but I’m inclined to believe the negative thoughts are a symptom and not a cause of mental illnesses.
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“Mental illness galore”…I like that turn of phrase. I usually describe myself as having several flavors of mental illness. Yours sounds more fun to me for some reason, so I might start using that and see if it helps me deal with my brain problems any better…because that is obviously a good and serious way to treat depression, anxiety, BPD, etc. – by just describing it using different words. God, I am stupid sometimes…but reframing can sometimes help, at least in the short term.
I guess this is what my brain will be arguing with me about today
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Whatever gets you through the day. Ideally therapy, sure. But I’m no stranger to mantra-ing “it be like that sometimes” and chugging forward. If phraseology helps, it helps.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Kelli,
I am in the internal monologue camp and what you (and others) have said is blowing my mind.
I’m amazed and confused and just cannot understand this at all.
I’m also intrigued and slightly jealous of you all who s don’t have that internal “voice”. Silence and concepts sounds like a lot less draining.
And yes, the constant internal monologues are both very noisy and exhausting!
I actually stopped in the middle of writing my response, to have an internal dialogue because thinking through my response and simultaneously having a conversation of sorts in my head about how on Earth others don’t operate this way is beyond belief! Haha
It went something like this: “What?? People don’t talk things through in their heads before, during and after doing, well, everything?? Can you even believe this?!
I just don’t understand. How? What? Whoa. “
Now I’m trying to force my mind to silently conceptualize and I’m shocked that I just. can’t. do. it.
Also, not only do many of us hear our own voice, but I “hear” the voices of characters in books.
That’s why books to movies are difficult for me. If the character’s voice doesn’t come close to how I “heard “ it in the book, it throws me off.
Is this something some people don’t do??
I need to stop writing now to internally discuss my entire existence.
Unreal.
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I want to go to internal monologue camp! That sounds like a fun place, and I’d fit right in. LoL!
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Internal Monologue Camp sounds a lot like Hell…both the experience and that it sounds fun & I’d fit right in 😀
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I have both. I also have synesthesia, so I have an internal monologue for a lot of things, but then what looks like moving colors/paint/abstract colors for other things. Sometimes when I have to translate the colors to actual words I get stuck and have to try to think of a way to explain color thoughts to other people.
I do have a couple of other people in my life who have similar synesthesia, so sometimes when we are talking, I realize we are “talking in color”, which is basically explaining concepts but using descriptions of visual concepts, not just words. But not everyone understands that so I can only do it with them. And it’s quite natural to us.
I also sometimes “see” some words that people say move through my mind as they speak. I don’t “see” every word, but some of them. And these words are usually also moving, and in 3D.
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I am so effing jealous of those who have synesthesia…but I’m sure it can be one of those “fun place to visit, but wouldn’t want to live there” situations.
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I do both, sometimes I just “see” images and understand. But I also have my “voice” that “talks” in my mind. I truly thought everyone did this, the fact it’s been one or the other is blowing my mind! Basically, sometimes I see silent movies or images in my head and know what it means to me. But other times I “hear” myself talking about it but not visualize it in my head….
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Have you ever heard of bicameralism?
This is from Wikipedia
” In psychology, bicameralism is a hypothesis which argues that the human brain once assumed a state known as a bicameral mind in which cognitive functions are divided between one part of the brain which appears to be “speaking”, and a second part which listens and obeys.” -Julian Janes
Most of the humans at this era dominantly use the part that only obeys and listens.
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So it’s like having the Senate & the House in my brain…no wonder I feel depressed af and can’t get sh*t done most days
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Doubt it. I’ve had severe anxio-depression for many years, and I have no “internal monologues” (and still find it hard to grasp that this is an actual thing)
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I do not hear my voice. I tried but didn’t know where to even start. I discussed this topic with two of my science classes and I was blown away. 4 of 58 students were like me and don’t hear their voice in their mind. I asked the ones that do if they can hear their favorite song in their head as if it were playing through speakers. They said yes and were in disbelief when I told them I can’t.
Another enlightening discovery was that many of the ones that hear their voice and have inner conversations had trouble falling asleep at night. Some even telling themselves to stop talking. Several said it takes them 2 to 3 hours to fall asleep because of it. They could hardly believe it when I told them I fall asleep in a minute or two. I plan on exploring this more with my other classes and ask questions as they come.
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When this popped up in my Facebook feed, the idea of some people not thinking in words wasn’t alien to me, because Temple Grandin has written about experiencing the world that way. I was OK with that.
But then you discover that the “Internal Monologue” is much less universal — and you find that fact alarming. The voices in my head started to ask questions.
Why should thinking in words be the default? If Temple Grandin isn’t a rare specimen but a member of a substantial minority, why haven’t we heard from the rest of them? What would Frans De Waal, who writes about animal cognition, say about this? Would De Waal point out that it’s thinking in words that is the weird outlier — the strange phenomenon that requires an explanation, not the other way around?
And might this explain how people could come out of a Trump rally feeling that they had heard something profound?
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Oh, my GOD! That is crazy!! My mind is officially blown😳 I thought everyone had internal dialogue! I can’t imagine life without it..seriously…I don’t know what to say…that’s crazy!
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I have worked quite a bit with kids who have dyslexia, I understand their experience of their thoughts as a movie, like constant motion picture bit no internal dialogue. Which fascinate me, they therefore process information much faster but words don’t come that easy because they don’t have that internal voice. However I thought that it was only people with dyslexia that font have an internal dialogue, so it would be really interesting whether it’s only people with dyslexia or some form of it or if some people just don’t have that inner voice thing and just think completely different? I’d love to know more, cause this has really changed how I view others thoughts and thought process..
So those who don’t hear their own voice constantly please tell us more, we’ll shut up both our voices and listen to learn.. 🙂 🙂
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This is brilliant. I’m 58 with MS and it could start a revolutionary study group. I myself do hold conversation with my innerself all day long. All my conversations and sentences are prepared before an audience hears or see my works.
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I have the ability to have an inner monologue, but it does not mean I always think in words. I can think and act in emotions too. But I wonder if the people who do not think in words are at an advantage and don’t suffer from the limitations of the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis that most of us do.
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Hi, I followed a friend’s FB page and ended up here. To add my 2 cents/pence is that I personally don’t have a monologue running in my head all the time. It comes on when I am planning or want to say/write something without speaking, but it doesn’t normally go out of control and pull unrelated information like some friends/family I believe does from observation. I do have a bilingal upbringing where my mother tongue, Cantonese, stopped at a very early age, and I then picked up English from my teens. There is a transition period in between where I thought in pictures mainly and still do. I describe the pictures… I guess… into words and vice versa when necessary. I can plan in both languages but the former, Cantonese, has less slang and adages than the latter, English. I don’t feel a shape of a sentence like the interviewee in your video, rather I can project/predict where it maybe going.
There is only 3 occasions when a kind of internal monologue/voice manifest itself during periods after a Loss ( first love and parents ), I am aware conciously in the sideline that “I am not myself” at those times. My choices/reactions that I make are more black and white rather than a wide range/spectrum in my normal state. However eventually that monologue fades and I am back to a non monologue state. One of my friends actually said she like me more while I was in that state. I however, was not so keen.
I hope you find my input interesting.
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Is there a link between handedness and internal monologues? Hypothesis = People who are right handed tend to have internal monologues, while left handed people are more visual/sentence seers. Let me know if there is a link that you can see. I’m curious.
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Not only do I have inner monologues and sometimes dialogues but recently my internal radio has turned on and I hear music and songs most of the day. I love it! I can hear the songs playing while I’m thinking as well. This totally disproves what a psychologist once told me that you can’t hold two thoughts simultaneously in your head. One interesting thing about me is the words I hear don’t always make it out of my mouth. I have a word retrieval problem. I can have amazing conversations in my head but they don’t always come out my mouth like that. Especially if I am stressed. Rather humerous after the fact when needing to yell at the fast food clerk. Sounds more like “Blaaaaaaahhhh!!!”, than a coherent thought. LOL
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I have the internal monologue, always have. To anyone who wants to understand this concept better I HIGHLY recommend reading Eckhart Tolle’s The Power of Now. The books starts with him noticing someone walking down the street, talking to themselves out loud, and labeling them as “crazy” until he realized that they were just speaking out loud the monologue that he was having in his head. The book changed my world and decreased my mental chatter. After this, I’m probably gonna have to go read it again. Something else I noticed… I can’t visualize stuff. You say “picture an apple” and all I can do is hear the word “apple” in my head. You say, “picture yourself on the beach” and I can tell a story in my head but I can’t see it– no images.
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As another commenter said, unfortunately inner dialogue is not necessary for depression. However certain types of narrative may end up being sufficient for depression.
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I watched, from an upper floor of a hotel, a deaf man crossing the road by himself just signing away to himself. Now I realize he didn’t have an inner “ voice.”
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I have an inner monologue, very interesting that others don’t! When I read it’s at the same speed as normal conversation. My wife says he’s is much faster than conversation. Made me wonder.. it seems like watching a movie on fast forward, very interesting how we all differ! I also hear songs in my head, sometimes it’s the same song playing all night in my head when I sleep. That’s annoying! I also remember my grandmother always talking to herself in the kitchen when she was working, she even answered her own questions. Our brains are amazing, Gods best creation!
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If my internal monolog is becoming bothersome or not going good,I have the band do a few numbers b4 I converse with the next guest.
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I have more of an internal monologue than an external one. I cannot relate at all to the idea of not having one.
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I need to know about these peoples conscience. Do they have one? What stops them from making irrational decisions?
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I have a cast of characters who I bounce ideas off, obsess over certain things with, replay glorious moments or reminisce about that one time and back in the day…..and it’s definitely in a coversational format! This cast of characters in my head is comprised of ALL me but different versions of myself. There’s the version of me that instantly road rages and suggests cutting insults for me to scream out my car window. I don’t act on those suggestions and instead I listen to the version of me who immediately laughs at road rage me and says “road rage, you’re just nuts but that was a hilarious burn!” There’s sarcastic me who often has me in stitches with the sarcastic commentary in all types of situations. So many versions of me and a constant “dialogue” happening. If I’m awake and not having an actual conversation at that moment, it’s my internal dialogue that fills my mind. I love all the versions of me that live in my head but I don’t just agree with them all the time and sometimes I’ll have to shut one of them up because their negativity or insanity is too much. Without my complex internal dialogue, I would not know how to live!
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I was also surprised when I got to the end of the article & learned that the writer was male(?…! 😲😳🤯). Maybe I thought this kind of thinking was how other females think, since my mom & myself can be like this while multitasking. It makes me wonder how these thought-pattern disparities between males & females look.
Does one particular gender have a greater percentage of those with the “internal monologue”? Does it also differ by age, race, country, culture, level of education, etc? (For the sake of data collection, I’ll say that I’m female, in my late-30s, white, American, in a rural part of Northeast Texas, & I have a doctorate-level degree.) I guess when you go to school for a long time, or spend a lot of time studying or reading, it can be a coping mechanism. But I feel like I’ve been this way since I was 8 years old (since within a few years before puberty). I used to watch “America’s Funniest Home Videos” Back when Bob Saget hosted it, & I sometimes felt like I had a similar internal talk-show playing in my mind, & I was even hosting it in front of a panel or studio-audience made up of people I had seen that day (whether in person or on TV—yes, that includes cartoon characters!). Sometimes my subconscious mind could be hit with thoughts or ideas at the speed of light or sound (or thought?), but the conscious part of my mind needed it replayed in slow-motion, or verbalized in a whisper at my natural “speed of talking(?)”. (Is that even a thing?)
Weird that I haven’t consciously thought about this stuff in a long time! I enjoyed reading this article & formulating a response!
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I have the inner dialog but never revisit old discussions and rehash them LOl
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Very interesting! I just assumed everyone had an internal monologue, like I do! I actually sing every song I hear, and internally speak everything I hear…and thinking about that now seems weird! But I can’t turn it off if I try!
I’m wondering if your friend has a photographic memory? Maybe that’s why she sees her sentence structure, etc. Interesting stuff to think about, that’s for sure!
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It’s totally horrible I have this! this was meant for me to see!! I hate it!! Everything I feel I have to analyze 😢
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Here is another interesting though. The other day I was having a conversation with a friend talking about reading books. In a book we had both read it describes a scene in a fantasy world and I asked my friend what that fantasy looked like to her? Her response was….. what do you mean what does it look like? To make a very long conversation short, I discovered she did not picture in her mind a movie that was being played out in her brain by the words she was reading. !!?!?!! WHAT! I thought! You don’t see the words come to life in your mind as you read the words? I asked. No, she responded I just read the words. I thought this was impossible but she tells me differently. I asked how do you know what’s going on if you don’t picture it in your mind? She said she just reads and understands what the words mean. That Blew my mind!
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It’s called aphantasia–not being able to see pictures in your mind.
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This is real interesting. I teach HS and to be able to speak with out losing my ideas and thoughts and be able to speak in a classroom that is semi quiet by distracting students I have to hear my inner voice while I am teaching or else I would get distracted and shut down.
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I have a brother with autism and I don’t think he can hear his own voice. He takes a long time to speak, and over time my family has learnt that he is trying to find words to express what is going on in his head. He probably lives in a world of concepts, understandings and feelings. I know he reacts instantaneously, like a visceral reaction to things. Sometimes he loses his temper with because he cannot find the right words. He often replies “I… I don’t know.” He avoids talking to people because he cannot communicate on their level and finds them boring (although this could be due to the autism).
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We have two fundamental networks, default network (officially caned the default mode network – DMN) is a sef referential network; the task positive network (officially called the task positive network – TPN) is a externally referential network.
The DMN keeps active those parts of the brain that generates the internal monolog.
The TPN is responsible for perceiving the reality of the moment and executing whatever action is needed in the moment – there is no monolog in the form of a discussion or conversation but it can have labels for action or things that are part of the perceiving and executing process. Or those labels can be visual (in the mind’s eye).
Thinking / perceiving in one network or the other is not a either or process but along a continuoum with pure DMN at one end and pure TPN at the other. Most people zigzag back and forth near the center or farther depending on the circumstances of the moment. Being lost in the moment is more TPN, while being self conscious or emotional is more DMN. Some people will think more to one end, based on practice and the “strength” (automaticity and consciousness-garnering) of the cortical areas involved.
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My internal dialogue used to be so “loud” and wouldn’t shut up at night that I had to invent a mental exercise to get to sleep when I was in 5th grade. I tried many things, but this is what finally worked. I envisioned the inside of my brain as a gigantic chalkboard and then began erasing it from one corner on the upper left diagonal all the way to the bottom right. I usually fell asleep about a third of the way through, but occasionally it took 3 full boards.
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I think not having an internal monologue could cause depression. Must feel lonely?? Could never listen to your thoughts. Even when your on your own you have your own voice inside you head to talk to. Cheer you up. Motivate you. Imagine being alone with not even yourself to talk to.
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Further to this I read an article that some people can’t/don’t see pictures when you (as an example) ask them to think of a beach. It conjures a picture for me. Not for everyone…
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So – interestingly – now I’m perplexed. I have an internal dialogue – So when I read silently I hear the words in a voice that isn’t exactly my spoken voice (maybe my true voice according to my mind) and I also see the words in my (mind?) as I read them. When I speak with certain people I identify with (can even be strangers I am meeting for the first time) I – get them – and more often than not we can finish each others sentences or we can speak in fragments because we each are on the same – thought process (?). And when these type of conversations take place I (in my mind’s eye ?) can actually see what they are talking about. When I read something I can call on my mind to look at the photograph of what I read (there is usually a photograph) and I can actually reread those pages because I see them in my mind – oddly – it also turns the pages and can go to a specific page upon request. I love DIY projects – because – when I look at something – like a room or space – I not only see it as it is but my mind sees all the possible combinations of what it could be – often – in many styles. In biology in school when I read about systems I was able to – visualize – them in my mind which helped me internalize that information for future recall and application during any dynamic situation. BTW – does anyone else think in color? Guess I’m just waiting for the mothership (that’s a joke – adding that just in case – BTW my mind told me to add the just in case – just in case). 😉
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This is the first time I’ve even considered that other people dont talk to themselves in complete sentences. Over the past few days, and specifically because of an exceedingly worrisome, panicked and troubling financial problem that will absolutely resolve itself in 10 days or so, I have been thinking of “excuses”, story’s and other things trying to explain the situation to the people involved. It’s like I’m trying to rehearse the situation out of my mind, so that it’s easier to deal with. I had no idea that other people dont do this the same way. Freaky.
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Seems to switch between the voice/abstract mode of thinking : as a game designer or an IT engineer, manipulating algorithms, mecanisms and concepts in my head is a complettely voiceless process, and it can be really difficult to convert idea in verbal explanation… But otherwise, in my daily life i’ve an inner dialog almost all the time.
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This is wonderful discovery that I did a few years ago too. When I found myself having “synesthetic” thinking.. mostly some concepts and phenomenons get some strange relations or colors. Weekdays have colors and numbers to me seem like family related. I can and have a constant conversation to myself. I read slowly cause I need to “pronounce” the words otherwise if I scan a text quickly I don’t remember the text. Cannot follow anymore. Cannot relate to it. But during a real conversation with others I think pretty fast. Never search for a word or a joke cause it’s already there before me. At the same time I think in concepts, moments, like all is there.. visually and audioally. Maybe it’s just all electrons are full in power? Lol
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This is wonderful discovery that I did a few years ago too. When I found myself having “synesthetic” thinking.. mostly some concepts and phenomenons get some strange relations or colors. Weekdays have colors and numbers to me seem like family related.
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P.S. Darwin was a “racist” before there was that word. He invented it. His goal in his research was to support the idea that the “lower races” were lower and deserving of their position in servitude. Does that “blow your mind?” Check it out: https://youtu.be/9n900e80R30
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I mean, I think there was racism before Darwin came along. Mind would be blown if there wasn’t, just saying is all.
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Right Brain, I totally feel you right up until that last sentence…you really lost me there, bruv.
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I have a constant internal monologue but I don’t “hear” it. And if I were to “hear” the words when I’m reading silently I’d be reading at the same speed as when reading aloud. Here’s a question for those of you who claim to “hear” the words when you’re reading? Are you a slow reader? I.e. do you read silently at the same speed as when you read aloud?
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Yes! I have never understood how to speed read. I read every word on a page, and sometimes discover that my inner monologue had stollen my attention for the last page and a half and I have no idea what it was I just read, so I have to go back and re-read it trying to stay more focused. It’s kinda brutal and why I really don’t read much for enjoyments sake.
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